#151945: ""Incompatible Tasks" being abused"
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Подробное описание
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• Пожалуйста, скопируйте/вставьте текст ошибки, которую вы видите на экране (если она есть).
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
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• Пожалуйста, объясните, что вы хотели сделать, что вы сделали и что случилось
it's happened in many games
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
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• Пожалуйста, скопируйте/вставьте текст, который отображается на английском языке, вместо вашего. Если у вас есть скриншот этой ошибки (что является хорошей практикой), вы можете использовать любой сервис для размещения изображений (например, snipboard.io), чтобы загрузить его и скопировать/вставить ссылку сюда. Доступен ли этот текст в системе перевода? Если да, был ли он переведён более 24 часов назад?
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
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• Пожалуйста, точно и кратко опишите своё предложение, чтобы сделать его наиболее доступным для понимания.
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
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• Что было изображено на экране, когда вас заблокировало? (Пустой экран? Часть игрового стола? Сообщение об ошибке?)
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
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• Какая часть правил не соблюдена в версии БГА
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
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• Видно ли нарушение правил в повторе игры? Если да, то на каком ходу?
it's happened in many games
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
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• Какое игровое действие вы хотели совершить?
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
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• Что вы пытались сделать, чтобы выполнить это игровое действие?
it's happened in many games
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• Что произошло, когда вы попробовали сделать это (сообщение об ошибке, сообщение в строке состояния игры...)?
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
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• На каком шаге игры произошла проблема (какой была текущая игровая инструкция)?
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
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• Что произошло, когда вы попробовали совершить игровое действие (сообщение об ошибке, сообщение в строке состояния игры...)?
it's happened in many games
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
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• Пожалуйста, опишите ошибку отображения. Если у вас есть скриншот этой ошибки (что является хорошей практикой), вы можете использовать любой сервис для размещения изображений (например, snipboard.io), чтобы загрузить его и скопировать/вставить ссылку сюда.
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
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• Пожалуйста, скопируйте/вставьте текст, который отображается на английском языке, вместо вашего. Если у вас есть скриншот этой ошибки (что является хорошей практикой), вы можете использовать любой сервис для размещения изображений (например, snipboard.io), чтобы загрузить его и скопировать/вставить ссылку сюда. Доступен ли этот текст в системе перевода? Если да, был ли он переведён более 24 часов назад?
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
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• Пожалуйста, точно и кратко опишите своё предложение, чтобы сделать его наиболее доступным для понимания.
The game is meant to have hard task combos. Since the change to only one person needing to click Incompatible Tasks for a redeal, players are abusing the button and clicking incompatible just because they don't want the challenge.
• Какой браузер вы используете?
Google Chrome v131
История отчёта
Alternatively, make the Fail Mission button easier to find.
It should definitely require more than one player, as it is, it feels like the equivalent of letting anyone flip the table whenever they want. Very disruptive to the game.
Please. Anything.
So it sounds like the devs of this game understand why this is bad, and this is hopefully this just a bug instead of an intentional change.
The bug people were complaining about was getting into a stuck state, where no game actions are available. If all available tasks are unselectable for the active player (e.g. "win no subs" makes it back around to captain as last task), the game could automatically fail the mission. That takes care of the stuck state without opening up "incompatible tasks" to abuse.
I think introducing something impacting so many games, to fix an issue that has 41 votes over 2.5 years, is not a good tradeoff. Even if you do not fix that other bug, I would rather have a bug that occurs once every 100 games than this that happens in every other game.
I agree that the current behavior is too dangereous because it's too prone to misclick, but with a clear warning also stating "are you sure you really think the task are incompatible ? Have you discussed that with your teamates", it's up to the players to use this with caution. The crew is a coop game, if someone wants to ruin the game by playing solo, he can do it in multiple ways, with or without the incompatible tasks button thing.
There are other solutions for the "being stuck" complaints - make the Fail Mission button more visible, add clearer descriptions to the Incompatible Tasks & Fail Mission buttons, create a yes/no popup for everyone to agree to just like original Crew.
I've loved Deep Sea since alpha testing it with you over 3 years ago. Aside from some occasional games of original Crew, it's the only reason I'm even on BGA. But it's not worth playing anymore if the Incompatible button will not change.
1) Most of the reports are actually talking about getting into a stuck state, where no task game action is possible and a player is stuck watching their time tick down or they have to abandon. There are other ways to fix this (like detecting when none are selectable, and in that case either auto-failing or making all tasks selectable).
2) Most of the reports are coming from turn-based tables, where coordinating everyone hitting incompatible is a much larger endeavor, and one player could be stuck alone while the other players are unaware.
This might be a case where a good fix for a turn-based game is not a good fix for a real-time game. In real-time games (which is all I play), this has never been an issue. Someone would mention it in chat and problem is solved once we all hit incompatible.
But now real time players pay the price for this fix. Is there a solution to help out the turn based players and avoid the abuse in real time games?
Tasks (all to one player) were:
* Win 2 in a row
* Win g6
* Don't open a trick with pink/green
* Don't open a trick with pink/yellow/blue
A very interesting set. Winning two in a row without leading a color means the second trick has to be won by leading a sub. But then there's the problem of not being able to dump the lead after winning your second trick, which means we should plan to do this as the last two tricks. And the commander likely can't take the tasks, since they couldn't dump the lead initially.
So we're left with the most likely winning strategy being:
1. Someone who has a sub, but isn't the commander, takes the tasks
2. Keep the lead away from the person with the tasks, while everyone else tries to play all their subs.
3. They need to win the second-to-last trick, and then lead their sub to win the last trick.
But unfortunately, before we could all start solving the puzzle, a player saw "two in a row" and "can't open a trick with any color card", assumed it was impossible, and rerolled the tasks. People must think they are using the button correctly, because the most interesting puzzles (that are challenging but not quite impossible) are always the ones that get reset with this button.
If you need something for TB:
* when someone click incompatible, pause and trigger everyone to agree it is, or not...
* if a second player agrees it is... ok, you might want to change
* if a second player says no, call the first player reassess also... comment in chat might have said it was not
* players can change their votes
* if all voters agree it is not, just continue
* if all but the 1st player agree it is not incompatible, continue... and prevent that player from asking again to prevent abuse
I was told i was cheating....
I am a real time player, but I understand the constraints relative to Turn Base tables.
I suggest to find a solution where turn based players are warned that a vote about incompatible tasks is running.
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- Другой номер игрового стола / номер хода
- Помогло ли решить проблему нажатие F5?
- Случилась ли проблема несколько раз? Постоянно? От случая к случаю?
- Если у вас есть скриншот этой ошибки (что является хорошей практикой), вы можете использовать любой сервис для размещения изображений (например, snipboard.io), чтобы загрузить его и скопировать/вставить ссылку сюда.
