#29897: "ELO system (for Spades) unduly penalizes player for being teamed with weaker player."

• Пожалуйста, скопируйте текст ошибки, которую вы видите на экране (если она есть).
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Пожалуйста, объясните, что вы хотели сделать, что вы сделали и что случилось
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

• Пожалуйста, скопируйте/вставьте текст, который отображается на английском языке, вместо вашего. Если у вас есть снимок экрана с этой ошибкой (хорошая привычка), вы можете воспользоваться Imgur.com, чтобы загрузить его и вставить сюда ссылку.
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Доступен ли этот текст в системе перевода? Если да, был ли он переведён более 24 часов назад?
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

• Пожалуйста, точно и кратко опишите своё предложение, чтобы сделать его наиболее доступным для понимания.
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

• Что было изображено на экране, когда вас заблокировало? (Пустой экран? Часть игрового стола? Сообщение об ошибке?)
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

• Какая часть правил не соблюдена в версии БГА
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Видно ли нарушение правил в повторе игры? Если да, то на каком ходу?
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

• Какое игровое действие вы хотели совершить?
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Что вы пытались сделать, чтобы выполнить это игровое действие?
• Что произошло, когда вы попробовали сделать это (сообщение об ошибке, сообщение в строке состояния игры...)?
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

• На каком шаге игры произошла проблема (какой была текущая игровая инструкция)?
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Что произошло, когда вы попробовали совершить игровое действие (сообщение об ошибке, сообщение в строке состояния игры...)?
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

• Пожалуйста, опишите ошибку отображения. Если у вас есть снимок экрана с этой ошибкой (хорошая привычка), вы можете воспользоваться Imgur.com, чтобы загрузить его и вставить сюда ссылку.
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

• Пожалуйста, скопируйте/вставьте текст, который отображается на английском языке, вместо вашего. Если у вас есть снимок экрана с этой ошибкой (хорошая привычка), вы можете воспользоваться Imgur.com, чтобы загрузить его и вставить сюда ссылку.
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Доступен ли этот текст в системе перевода? Если да, был ли он переведён более 24 часов назад?
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

• Пожалуйста, точно и кратко опишите своё предложение, чтобы сделать его наиболее доступным для понимания.
The existing ELO calculation after a win (or loss) treats the result as a win (loss) against each of the opponents, **and a tie with the player's partner**. That means that if you are paired with a weak player, ot only is winning more challenging (which is fine, luck of the draw) but also your ELO is docked because of partner's weakness.
As an extreme example, say a 600 is paired with a 20 ELO, playing against a couple of 310 ELO opponents, and everybody has K=20. If the 600/20 team wins, the 600 gains about 4 points against each opponent, and ties his partner, which is about (-18+2)/2 = -9 ELO points. The sum is -1, so the expert player, having beaten a couple of strong players despite being paired with a beginner, would *lose* about half an ELO point. Since the odds of winning, based on linear approximation using the combined ELO's, were about 50%, that expert (and his partner) should have gained 10 points.
The best solution is to treat the game as a two-player game, using the pair-averaged ELO rating for each pair to determine the effective ELO. If that is awkward within the overall BGA framework, then at least the system should not be indicating a tie against your partner.
• Какой обозреватель вы используете?
Google Chrome v87

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